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  • Date Created: 19 Oct 2021 11:48 AM Date Created
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Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps
19 Oct 2021

I'm reviewing a set of inductors for the Experimenting with Magnetic Components design challenge.

In this post: make a custom inductor

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Balanced Twisted Windings Common Mode Choke

 

I'm designing a sister for the common mode choke that was used in the previous post.

There are several ways to wind a common mode choke on a coax core.

The easiest is to wind each inductor on one side of the core, Both in the same direction.

 

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To reduce the magnetic field that's emitted from the device, you can use another technique: twisted wire winding.

This will concentrate the magnetic field in the inside (eye) of the core.

 

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I used 12 13 windings for each inductor. 6 turning right, then cross over and under, then 6 left windings.

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Parts

 

You need a ferrite core. I used a small diameter one from Lairdsmall diameter one from Laird (datasheet).

Get some enameled copper wire from the transformer of a defunct device. Take wire that can be handled with ease.

Optionally, masking tapemasking tape.

The components were part of a shopping cart I won with Project14.

 

Core specifications:

Laird 28B0375-400 ferrite cylindrical core, 81 ohm, 4.83 mm length, 5.08 mm inner diameter, 9.53 mm outer diameter

NiZn ferrite

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image source: Laird datasheet

 

Measurements

 

It would be great if someone that owns a magnetic field probe could measure the difference in emission of both winding options.

The twisted wire one should have a much smaller magnetic field, concentrated inside the core. The common one's field spreads on the outside of the core.

 

With an LCR meter, the two inductors measure almost identical.

12 13 turns (6 left, 6 right and the crossover one in the middle) for both.

Frequency: 100 kHz

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attributeinductor ainductor b
L66.85 µH67.01 µH
Q5.995.97
ESR7.05 Ω7.05 Ω
ϕ80.4°80.4°
D0.1680.167
RS7.042 Ω7.045 Ω
DCR0.09 Ω0.09 Ω

 

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In the next post (or in the comments), I'll try to show the common mode rejection capabilities.

 

 

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6. SMD transformers experiment gizmo part 2: Measure
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  • robogary
    robogary over 3 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    ROFL - or this:

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    Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to robogary

    robogary  wrote:

     

    boy scout compass or needle floating on a scrap of paper in real shallow water ? 

    Metal powder ?

     

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    source https://www.bickwebshop.eu/a-45281662/metaalpoeders/ijzerpoeder-100-gram/#description

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    robogary over 3 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    boy scout compass or needle floating on a scrap of paper in real shallow water ? 

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    Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to robogary

    robogary  wrote:

     

    very neat idea on mag field reduction with twisted windings

    I hope image. I don't have the tools to measure the effect.

    I'm hoping that (a) one of the winners of the fancy EMS/Antenna road tests tries to measure a traditionally wired vs twisted wound one (I can mail my choke) , and  (b) I can roll my own magnetic field gizmo and  have it talk to the instruments I have at home.

    I can see the theory, where the fields keep each other focused to the belly button of the kernel. It would be great to see evidence here.

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    robogary over 3 years ago

    very neat idea on mag field reduction with twisted windings

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